Why are we so Negative?

By Daniel Andruczyk

So i read earlier today a fairly innocuous article involving the USA Rugby Union. They are on a tour at the moment in Portugal, Scotland and Georgia to play TEST’s. Now this seems fairly uneventful but to me its interesting that these matches are called test matches. Looking at the team:

  1. Mate Moeakiola (Bobigny 93)
  2. Phil Thiel (Life University)
  3. Shawn Pittman (London Welsh)
  4. Scott Lavalla (Dublin University)
  5. John van der Giessen (Bath)
  6. Louis Stanfill (Mogliano)
  7. Todd Clever (Suntory) [Capt]
  8. Nic Johnson (Denver Barbarians)
  9. Tim Usasz (Nottingham)
  10. Nese Malifa (Glendale)
  11. Kevin Swiryn (Agen)
  12. Andrew Suniula (Chicago Griffins)
  13. Setareki Tulievuka (Montpellier)
  14. Takudzwa Ngwenya (Biarritz)
  15. Chris Wyles (Saracens)

Reserves:

  1. Chris Biller (San Francisco Golden Gate)
  2. Mike MacDonald (Leeds Carnegie)
  3. Jonathon Gaganio (Eastern Province)
  4. Inaki Basauri (L’aquila)
  5. Mike Petri (Sale)
  6. Tai Enosa (Belmont Shore)
  7. Paul Emerick (Ulster)

There seems to be very few “American” names in there, yet there is I see no where any media condemnation that there are no Americans, that there are players from overseas in there, that there is no point that this tour should happen, etc… So Why is that? Why is it that Rugby Union and other sports like Soccer don’t condemn their players or teams, even when many do have foreign names and use the Grandparent rule etc…

I think there are two issues going on here. One is that these sports have a global governing body (IRB, FIFA) that keeps any of the selections consistent. You wont find players that have played for the USA or any other country being able easily switch to another country. Secondly the media is on board, they treat the game with respect. I doesn’t matter how good or bad the teams are, how big the scores blow out, there is never any condemnation that nations should never play against any of the big teams etc… they have proper qualifying tournaments and have consistent tournaments every year or in a 4 year cycle that teams play and look forward to.

So why is it that the main Rugby league media, namely the Super League and NRL as well as their fans seem to be so narrow minded. They look to be negative and stab the knife into Rugby Leagues back at every chance. Tone Hannan several days ago made a good point on twitter and in an article that the England Rugby Union team have had bad results since 2003 and Scotland and Ireland have never beaten the All Blacks, yet there is no one out there in the Rugby union media suggesting that these games and tournaments and tours are pointless and should be scrapped. They might question selections and the admin, which is fair enough, but never do they suggest that International Rugby league should be abandoned.

Rugby League used to have such a rich and popular International season and it seems with the advent of State of Origin it killed it off. Australians in Particular seem to think that Playing for your state is somehow better than playing for your country. That beating an international team makes things a joke? Well I have previously talked about how Australia always weigh things to make sure they never lose so i wont go on about that again. My point is that there are now well over 30 countries that play Rugby league on an international level and we need to start promoting that, especially amongst the two biggest Rugby League markets in the world.

So no matter what happens, we need to expand the 4 Nations to 6, get the Pacific, European and Atlantic Nations playing more high quality matches against the top teams and we need to get a RLIF that is independent and not have any conflict of interests, Neutral referees and a media that is positive of the game at all levels.

Wales U18 Matches

This week the Wales Rugby League announced that their U18’s team will be taking on the English and Australian U18 over the next two weeks. November 17, Wales U18 v England U18 at Caerphilly RFC and on November 23 Wales U18 vs. Australia U18 also at Caerphilly CFU.

Daniel Andruczyk’s email: daniel@rugbyleagueinternationalscores.com
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30 Responses to “Why are we so Negative?”

  1. dragons4eva says:

    Good Article Druzik,

    I always enjoy what you have to say. You seem to make your point in a cool and polite manner lol.

    Nah but seriously what you say is true. I find it interesting how Rugby Union fans although they know their teams e.g Italy vs All Blacks are going to lose, the fill out stadiums such as the San Siro to full Capacity of over 80 000 people. Rugby League on the other hand is the complete opposite. As you said i believe SOO really has ‘ruined’ the prestige of Representative International football.

    Anywayz just my two cents lol. Looking forward to you next blog and Atlantic Cup news

  2. C.T.SANDERS says:

    That’s the difference between rugby union and rugby league.One wants to go global and the other only wants to be a club thing that’s ony exclusive to a few.Time to boot the administration firmly into touch.

  3. Ryan says:

    To be fair the majority of those players were actually born in the USA, but went overseas to continue their career.

    I feel a 6 Nations is miles off, it is being overly ambitious. Despite your disdain towards the media, they control the success of these tournaments and a 6 Nations would be looked upon very poorly by the media. It would fail miserably. It’s hard to believe otherwise.

    • druzik says:

      Not if its done smart, 6 nations I think can be profitable… Its about getting the exposure out there. Get more quality players playing more quality tournaments.

      The issue isn’t where they were born, but that they will only play for one country.

      • Ryan says:

        How do you suggest we make this 6 Nations profitable? Even though I wouldn’t mind seeing it happen, I am realistic. We can’t get exposure for the current Four Nations so how do you suggest we do for a 6 Nations that would be laughed at by the media?

        Directly from your post: “There seems to be very few “American” names in there, yet there is I see no where any media condemnation that there are no Americans, that there are players from overseas in there, that there is no point that this tour should happen, etc… So Why is that? Why is it that Rugby Union and other sports like Soccer don’t condemn their players or teams, even when many do have foreign names and use the Grandparent rule etc…”

        So essentially you have based your article on the grandparent rule, although now you claim it was about nation swapping, which you briefly mentioned in the above post. To address your statement, yes they will only play for the US, because they identify themselves as Americans firstly, and secondly because they aren’t even in with a chance of getting selected by more competitive nations. Unlike the cases we see in the media over here, the players you have named do not have conflicting heritages, eg. Australia-Fijian (with the possible exception of a few). Either way Union has the luxury of a “decent” domestic program in the States, something that Rugby League does not (in “developing” nations).

  4. Ashley says:

    Good article as usual, league limits itself. There are lots of nations who want to play more.

    There should have been a lot of lessons learnt from this international period. I hope the RLIF knows what must be done

    I see also that Ireland and serbia have received full member status onthe RLEF and Italy and jamaica have also moved up. Could anyone explain what being a full member means to me? More funding? More votes? More tests? Or just the right o be called a full member?

  5. C.T.SANDERS says:

    Why would it fail ryan?The only failures in rugby league over the years has been the administration not the product.33,000 people to watch 3 games in france?.With the acception of jim doyle here in nz time for the rest to go including the likes of cammy cams,sideshow sel and the rooster at auckland rugby league.Wake up the clubs of auckland because that lot at bullshit castle are ripping you lot off by laudering pockie machine money through the vechile of the vulcans to prop up a private liability company in the shape of the warriors.Is this above board?I wouldn’t of thought so.Pockie machine monies is supposed to go to the lowest level of sport in the community and not to professional or semi-professional sport.The auckland rugby league are breaking the law and i will informed the minister of dia about this in the coming weeks as well as polce minister judith collins so i can get cammy cams,sideshow sel and the rooster in the cart.I want them to squeel like pigs around a trough.We have had a gutsful of them controlling the game here in nz and their time will come.Every dog has its’day.

  6. Ryan says:

    And what about the crowds we recently got in Australia, the negative press etc? I wouldn’t expand it yet, not until the 4th nations post a few results against the top sides (ie. wins). Even then I would only expand to 5. Expanding too quickly will only hamper our progress, we have limited funds as it is, and turning a profit should be the priority in my opinion.

    • druzik says:

      Well 5 is the logical next step, but I think in the end you need 6. % is a difficult number to work with in a tournament.

      The press in Australia need to be educated.

      • Ryan says:

        No more difficult than 3, 4 or 6. Regardless, the general Rugby League fans and media won’t support it.

        Why do they need to be educated? With the exception of a few journalists what they have said about this tournament isn’t untrue in any way. They are only reflecting the general public’s perception of the tournament, a quick flick through online forums shows that.

        Yes there are die-hard international fans like you, the people that frequent these sites and myself, but essentially we are a minority within the scheme of things. Your regular Rugby League fan is more concerned with NRL, State of Origin and the Kangaroos/Kiwis (on this side of the world), adding 2 more teams to the Four Nations won’t change that, it takes longer than that to influence people.

        We’re finally progressing, but if we do so at too rapid a rate we will unravel all of the good work done recently.

        If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. More relevantly, if it is broke, don’t fiddle around until it becomes totally un-repairable.

  7. C.T.SANDERS says:

    Well time to get rid of colin love,david gallop and geoff carr in australia and bring in genuine league people like we had before in the shape of johnny quayle and don’t forget that it’s also up to nz,england and the rest being competitive in tests with australia.People in sydney know their rugby league and won’t be conned in watching primitive rubbish like samoa v tonga at parramata stadium recently with both teams stacked up with kiwi rejects,nrl has beens and sl misfits.It was caveman mentality and talk about rubbish.Pick raw talent from the islands for a change and give them a go because they are not brought up on a diet of kentucky fried chicken,fish and chips with an extra helping of spud and gravvy,washed down by copious amounts of coke and with too much pudding to boot for dessert.This is what png did by picking within.The 4 nations will easily make a profit if the right people are involved even if extended to 6 nations.Outside jim doyle the administrators in rl wouldn’t have a glue.That’s a big problem only because they think small.The auckland rugby league under the dictatorsip of cameron mcgregor is classic example of a rl board that thinks small despite the fact that they got millions and millions and milions in the bank.What have they got to show for their money?A shithouse vulcans side in the nsw cup that plays in front of fyck all.

    • druzik says:

      Raw talent is one thing, but you still need to have the ESL and NRL experience in there. Chris we want players not to be the rejects but to choose Samoa and Tonga over New Zealand and Australia.

      But I think despite everything you are missing the point of the international competitions. Its not about rejects or misfits etc… Its about players playing and representing their nations, no matter how good or bad they are. You can apply the same rule in other sports, but its not about the All Blacks rejects playing or who ever… its about getting out there to play for your country, inspiring your people to follow the nation in sport.

      Along the way, do it properly so some money can be made so these nations benefit from it all.

  8. Ryan says:

    I don’t know where to start…

    Your argument about the Islands and PNG are flawed. The game would go backwards if they selected locals. Seriously, what has PNG got to show for it? There is a heap of tension up there for the fact they put that side on the paddock, and selectors are puzzled as to why the players they selected did not appear. Believe me an Adrian Lam PNG would’ve put up a greater challenge and done the country more justice.

    Okay, how would you make this 6 Nations profitable, honestly. It can’t happen, people won’t show up to Australia v PNG, and especially not England v PNG or Wales v PNG. The same thing in the Northern Hemisphere. We have to stick to the current format until it is sustainable, and improve the quality of the second tier.

    As for the Auckland side of things, well, I don’t know anything about that, so I can’t comment. But you certainly seemed riled up by it.

    • druzik says:

      Ryan, with that reasoning, we will never get to a level where 6 teams will be competitive because every year the 4th team will get knocked down by the neyayers. The plunge needs to be taken, 6 teams and stick with it, work it to get the product. You make the money from the advertisers. You have an international tournie, you get international advertyising, not just aussie or UK… you need to look outside the box here. This has been shown to work with other tournaments.

  9. Cheyne Maher says:

    As you point out Ryan it is crucial that any tournament is profitable for the RLIF. Personally i think a six nations tournament could do this, with the use of a few double headers such as the ENG V PNG and NZ V AUS one at Eden Park last weekend, which attracted some 44,000 fans. I also feel this could help the likes of PNG, Wales, France etc develop better. For eg. Instead of playing Aus, NZ and Eng only, PNG would be better off if they had a game against Wales and France thrown in the mix. This way they would still enjoy the opportunity to play the best in the world while also playing sides they can realistically beat in the same tournament. This would also benefit a team such as England, as they could enjoy a few more matches before their “must win” matches against Aus and NZ. I know they did play a couple of warm ups against the Maori and Cumbria, but personally i think they would be better served if these warm up games were replaced by six nations fixtures against France, Wales etc.

    And Dan as you said somehow we need to get the RL media to be more supportive. As those stats point out International Rugby Union is not all that much more competitive than Rugby League, it simply enjoys more support.

    One final point, which kind of re-inforces why the whole thing is worth persisting with, what a great final to the 4 nations last night. I taped it and watched it this morning and it was one of the highest intencity matches i have seen in a long time. The passion and committment from both teams suggests that Test matches may be slowly regaining top billing on the rep scene ahead of Origin matches. I read somewhere today a NZRL official saying that it was not that long ago the Kiwis were only considered a 50 minute side, but they have now won three out of the last five major tournament finals. How has this been acheived. One through regular exposure and competition for their national team, (which has also enhanced the Kiwis brand judging by the crowds in NZ) and two by having more and more NZ players playing in a professional competition. Wales and France now have this and ideally PNG will have in the next 5-10 years with their own NRL team. I genuninely think that within a generation we could have six teams with realistic hopes of making a WC final and even winning it on their day and with a stack of other teams that would be competitive against the top sides too. I know i was also a little disappointed in the negative columns re: reverting back to a tri nations, but have been heartened by what i have read in several other articles since – so i guess we simply ignore the negative comments and focus on the positive ones and hope that in time the later far outweighs the former!!

    • druzik says:

      I have been saying for a while now that Origin is not the high intensity people make it out to be. yes its a great rivalry and its needed somewhere in the mix, but not at the expense of the Internationals. But State of Origin as a Rugby league is no better than NRL. Slater et. al. are able to handle QLD and NSW but in test have now cracked.

      there are many reasons I have touched upon already…. but may need a blog after this week to expand I think.

  10. C.T.SANDERS says:

    The game won’t go backwards at all if they pick from within.Look at the samoan rugby 7’s side that is pick from within.They play all over the world on the 7’s circuit and it has done them a power of good.In auckland they start from the tip of the pyramid and work down instead of working from the base of the pyramid and up.That’s why the sport continues to stagnate unlike others that are going ahead in leaps and bounds.The administration in nz especially at the auckland rugby league board of control are next to useless and aren’t there for the good of the game only there to line their pockets.
    In reguards to an extended 6 nations for next year,what’s wrong with both australia and nz playing png in port moresby on the way up to europe?France should play all their games at home ensuring great crowds,nz and australia can play in london,a double header could be played at cardiff with the final being played in manchester with all barla games suspended on the day of the final so there’s no excuse not to fill the stadium up at maine rd.
    I think in reguards to png it’s a power struggle like it’s here in auckland but the people in the corridors of power here have too much baggage from the past and the likes of cameron mcgregor,selwynn pearson and steve brewster come to mind.They all have nothing to offer and there’s no sense of urgency amongst them because they are just living off the fat of the land.Pearson spends most of his time in the pub getting pissed.Time for them to go and i think it’s also time for new blood in australia otherwise the sport will never ever go ahead.In over 100 years rugby league isn’t even a national game in australia and it’s no different in england.Inept administration and the same here as well as england.And i am told that the 4 nations will make a healthy profit after all there were approximately 150,000 crowds for the 8 games on show including warm ups.That’s something to work on for the future.
    And finally ryan,png got plenty to show for being involved in the 4 nations and despite their troubles they were far from disgraced in their 3 matches against full time professionals considering they picked most of the players from within.Tell me what the auckland rugby league got to show for squandering money on the vulcans in the nsw cup?

    • druzik says:

      Chris 7’s is a whole different kettle of fish. Teams only have to play 7 min halves or something so Samoa can compete on a level base to every one else. Its the 80 min game where they fall over not getting the experience.

      Its not about the game backwards. Nothing worng with picking an all residents team if they are the best…. its about how you sell that product and make sure its people that genuinely want to be in the team.

      Australia do have an annual match against the PNG team… ultimately a 6 nations you want the best 6 teams in the world for that cycle to be playing…. so that could mean that PNG would be in it. So you don’t have NZ and Australia playing a match on the way.

      The way you describe it still relegates a team like PNG to 2nd class status and does nothing to further their cause.

      Now where in london would Australia and NZ play… Stoop well they did that and got 12,000, A game in London needs to have the English play there. cardiff and Manchester could not be used because of availability.

      I still don’t know why you keep mixing Auckland RL with the international game…. apples and oranges Chris…. again it sounds like more a vendetta now than any genuine concern.

  11. Ryan says:

    I highly doubt it would be profitable, the regular fans won’t support it, the RLIF won’t support it and the media won’t support it. People think it’s simple, but have no idea of the true logistics. Not that I am claiming to either, but I know the support just isn’t there, so I don’t get caught up in unrealistic pipe-dreams.

    International Union is miles ahead of Rugby League, and the stats are there to prove it. From management down to the grassroots they’re doing pretty well, so comparisons between us and them are useless. As I pointed out, a quick search will have you find the majority of those USA players, although they play overseas, were actually born in the US.

    CT Sanders… I really don’t see the point arguing. All the island nations would go back 10 years if they selected purely from within, you’d have to be blind to think otherwise. The whole PNG situation was a mess, a more balanced team, with Adrian Lam at the helm would’ve competed better, and I honestly believe may have upset England.

    Finally, the Auckland Rugby League have nothing to do with any of this, I know nothing of the situation. I cannot see any reason for you to try and support your argument with their current situation (whatever that may be).

    • druzik says:

      Ryan, if the right people are in ther RLIF, it can be sold to the public and it can be profitable. All sport do it and Rugby League needs to start doing it. We cant just cower… the way you are thinking is exactly the way Rugby league has throught for the last 50 years.

      Union internationals are ahead, because they have taken an idea and stuck with it… henace we need to do the same thing.

      Agree on other points.

      • Ryan says:

        And, theoretically, if you were at the helm of the RLIF, how would you turn a profit? Yes all sport do it, because firstly, they have the money, and secondly, unlike common Rugby League fans they don’t have a negative outlook towards the international game. You can’t change people’s opinions by adding 2 new teams, it takes time, and by adding 2 new teams you would only enhance their negative perception of the international game.

        Union is ahead, because they had the idea years ago. And it’s evident in the spread of Union around the world. It is also important to note they didn’t start with 6 Nations, or 5 for that matter. It’s only been the last 10 years that any true growth has been seen in our game (although it is a superior product), and therefore, as I said before, any comparisons between Union and League are useless.

        Unless, of course, we compare the quality of play, in which case we win by a mile.

  12. C.T.SANDERS says:

    Adrian lam wasn’t the coach of png for the 4 nations so we don’t know what would of happened and it’s only pure speculation, yet the scottish side that faced the all blacks in the weekend at rugby couldn’t even score a try, yet they are full time professionals unlike png.Scotland were lucky to get three points.The fact that png scored 2 tries against the best rugby side on the planet in the shape of the world champion kiwis and now the 4 nations champs should not be overlooked.The fact that png were without 6 of their big guns for the tournament again should not be overlooked as well.Png is the only country on god’s earth where rugby league is the national game is something that should be respected and something that rugby league folk should be proud of.Rugby league as a sport isn’t even played throughout australia because aussie rules is the dominant code by a country mile.
    This is an international rl site and auckland Rugby league is the greatest provincial rugby league in the whole wide world despite the fact it’s run by wankers and that our shithouse team the vulcans in the nsw cup which has disgraced the great name of auckland provincial rl is something that i hate largely thanks to incompetent officials who wouldn’t know the time of day.The fact that auckland have beaten the likes of australia,gb, france, wales, england and png pus many professional overseas club sides many times over the last 100 years should not be forgotten either.For what it’s worth,Auckland rugby league is the richest sport in the whole of nz with 26 million in the bank money which the clubs of auckland actually own yet the the directors that run the auckland rugby league board of control think it’s theirs and not the property of the clubs of auckland is not morally right.Unlike rugby we still own most of our land because nz rugby union own no ground nor do the provincial unions.
    The whole point of this exercise ryan is that rugby league as a sport is in a real mess all over the world because the people runing it have no background,knowledge or history in the game itself and aren’t genuine and there for the good of the game.In my book they are all headless chooks and time to clean out the arl,nrl,nswrl,qrl,rfl,nzrl and the whole auckland rugby league board of control and bring in genuine league people with sound business knowledge and a history of surviving in business.If you say that no one will turn up for 4 or 6 nations games in the future, tell me why 44,500 people turned up at eden park last week if everything was a forgone conclusion.
    And in reguards to picking raw talent from the islands,tell me ryan why aussie rules talent scouts are going there all the time as well as nfl scouts,nba scouts,rugby scouts,baseball scouts and even soccer people go there regularly and aren’t samoa the best rugby union 7’s side on the planet and don’t they pick from witin.Think positive ryan for a change unlike our administrators who always think small.
    Finally ryan tell me why only 4 countries have ever won the william webb ellis trophy in the rugby whereas in rl world cup there have been three winners since 1954.Not much difference and remember ryan the first 3 rugby world cups didn’t count in 1987,1991 and 1995 because rugby was seen as a fraudulent sport where everything especially boot money payments weren’t above board.Shamateurism.

    • druzik says:

      You know cut the Vulcans stuff out… it has no relevance in any of these discussions.

      The double header was sold properly, which was great to see, so people came out for it. For NZ playing Aus on home soil come round once in a blue moon so I am sure that Kiwi and even All Black fans to have an opportunity to see them play would have taken it. It was a smart move and you can only applaud the NZRL for it.

      Look even with the Shamateurism, you cant deny the first three Union world cups, not even the most die hard League fan is that dumb… C’mon Chris, make some sense with what you say.

    • Ryan says:

      Essentially, you (CT Sanders) are just debating for the sake of it, as none of your arguments have any substance. Your style of writing also has little structure, and the combination of that and the erratic nature of your arguments means I am having trouble writing a response.

      Yes my opinions regarding PNG are only speculation, but I think they are well supported by comparing PNG’s performance at the 2008 World Cup and this years Four Nations performance.

      The Auckland Rugby League is definitely not the greatest “provincial Rugby League” in the whole world, you only have to look across the ditch to see numerous competitions that are miles ahead. I also highly doubt the Auckland Rugby League are the richest sport in New Zealand, considering Rugby Union is the national sport and League isn’t greatly supported. I don’t know where you came up with this magical 26 million dollars, because I also highly doubt that exists. In actual fact I see no relevance behind these made up facts and figures, and I wish I didn’t reply because it will probably only encourage you.

      44, 500 fans turned up to watch Australia vs. New Zealand, it would not happen for Wales vs PNG or even Wales vs Australia. That is what I am trying to get at. And as Druzik pointed out, New Zealand hardly ever play Australia on home turf, so that should also be taken into account.

      Yeah maybe 3 teams have won it (RLWC), but unlike Union we only have 3 teams that can win it. To put it in perspective; during our long history of World Cups (some of which only included 4 teams) only 3 teams have won it, whereas in the case of Union, 4 nations have won out of their 6 World Cups. That’s a massive difference. And you tried to say otherwise.

  13. C.T.SANDERS says:

    I HAVE NO VENDETTA AT ALL BECAUSE I TELL THE TRUTH AND THE PEOPLE DON’T WANT TO HEAR THE TRUTH AND IF NZ RUGBY LEAGUE IS SQUEAKY CLEAN WHY WAS THERE A GOVERNMENT ENQUIRY INTO THE GOVERNANCE OF THE SPORT IN OCTOBER 2008 WHEN THE CORRUPT LABOUR PARTY WERE IN POWER.I AM GETTING MAIL EVERYDAY FROM 2 AND 3 EXPERIENCED ADMINISTRATORS, ONE PERSON IN PARTICULAR WHO HAS HAD LONG SERVICE IN THE GAME BACKING ME UP IN REGUARDS TO THIS SITE,ELDERLY FOLK WHO CAN’T USE A COMPUTER.ALL THE FUNDING HERE IN AUCKLAND GOES TO ONE CAUSE ONLY, THE VULCANS WHICH IS THE WARRIOR RESERVE GRADE SIDE AND DOES NOT FILTER DOWN TO THE GRASSROOTS AT ALL.THE CLUBS GET NO FUNDING FROM THE AUCKLAND RL WHAT SO EVER DESPITE THE FACT THEY OWN THE 26 MILLION IN THE BANK AT ARL, BUT IF THE CLUBS KEEP VOTING THESE PEOPLE IN ALL THE TIME, THEY DESERVE WHAT THEY GET.
    THE FACT THAT AUCKLAND WERE THE INTERNATIONAL CHAMPIONS IN 1977 WHERE THEY BEAT AUSTRALIA,GB AND FRANCE INSIDE 10 DAYS MEANS THAT AUCKLAND PROVINCIAL RUGBY LEAGUE ARE VERY MUCH PART AND PARCEL OF THE INTERNATIONAL GAME.WE HAVE A RICH HISTORY SECOND TO NONE.
    THE FACT THAT SAMOA ARE THE BEST RUGBY 7’S SIDE SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN LIGHTLY EITHER.RUGBY UNION IS AN OLYMPIC SPORT AND WE ARE STILL A CINDERALLA SPORT BECAUSE IT’S STILL RUN BY MUGS.
    RYAN SAYS THAT PNG RUBGY LEAGUE IS IN TURMOIL.TELL HIM TO NAME THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS TURMOIL BECAUSE HERE IN AUCKLAND, SEL PEARSON IS THE BIGGEST CROOK IN THE GAME,THE MAN WHO WAS THE ARCHITECT IN DESTROYING RUSSIAN RUGBY LEAGUE IN 2005, DESPITE THE FACT THAT PEOPLE POINTED THE FINGER AT EGUENY KALABANOV,AND IN HIS REVIEW ON THE GOVERNANCE OF NZRL IN FEB 2009,SIR JOHN ANDERSON DIDN’T HAVE THE INTESTINAL FORTITUDE TO NAME ANYONE OF THE CROOKS, YET I NAMED YOU THE DADDY OF THEM ALL IN THE SHAPE OF SEL PEARSON, EMPLOYED NOWADAYS AS SPECIAL PROJECTS MANAGER AT AUCKLAND RUGBY LEAGUE.

  14. C.T.SANDERS says:

    If you want to criticise me ryan use your real name and stop hiding behind a nome de plume and tell me what ground the new zealand rugby union owns here in nz or any ground that any provincial union owns Aas well?They own none.And tell me why the world cup here in nz next year is scheduled to make a 39 million dollar lost?You got all the answers ryan.

  15. C.T.SANDERS says:

    And who are the world champs at rugby league ryan as well as 4 nations champs and i see that the ground has already sold out for the anzac test in christchurch in may of next year.So put that in your pipe and smoke that ryan.

  16. Ryan says:

    This is honestly a joke. I don’t understand where your coming from, or the relevance of any of this. Rather than me putting something in my pipe to smoke, maybe you should take it away from yourself and come back to reality. You failed to address any of my points and you also failed to properly comprehend any of them. Therefore I will no longer be responding to your posts, you have gone so far off topic it isn’t funny and now you are only making a fool of yourself (if that wasn’t already evident by your previous posts). Resorting to the use of capital letters only proves it. Before you fire away on the keyboard again I suggest you go back through the posts and read everything, 3 or 4 times. You are arguing about things I didn’t even mention, so if you can’t comprehend my posts I suggest you stop posting on Rugby League sites (and internet sites in general) until such a time that you can do so.

  17. C.T.SANDERS says:

    What do you mean ryan that i have gone so far off the topic?The topic is international rugby league and the idiots that run the game.Over 40,000 watched the 4 nation games in europe and a further 168,000 watched 9 games which included warm ups in the southern hemisphere yet you say no one bothers to turn up for international rugby league.208,000 people can’t be wrong ryan.

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