England Jump on the Bandwagon

By Daniel Andruczyk

Last week England jumped on the Pacific Nation stealing band wagon. Willie Manu made himself available for England and he was embraced with open arms. But when you read the various articles on this you see a disturbing trend and attitude towards the English Jersey. Of course its not the first time England has done this, in fact from the home nations there have been other players that defected, or made themselves available.

The Farce

In the past New Zealand and Australia have been the nations that have blatantly abused the international eligibility rules by effectively stealing players from other nations with the temptation of State of Origin and Kangaroos/Kiwis. The majority of these players have been from the Pacific Islands and these nations have been left to fight over the scraps. In the past players like Lote Tuqiri, Fuifui Moimoi and more recently Michael Jennings and Jarryd Hayne have all been guilty of doing the ship jumping.

The RLIF eligibility laws actually are very clear. A player qualifies for a nation if:

  • They are born in that nation and are citizens
  • Have played their first rugby league in that nation
  • Have parent(s) or grandparent(s) from that nation
  • Have lived in the country for a minimum of 3 years
  • Have not played for another nation in a 3 year period from their last international

If any one of these criteria are not met then a player cannot play for another nation till these are met. These are actually pretty standard, most international sports have these or similar rules for playing for nations. Now the difference in Rugby league is that the RLIF does not have a spine to enforce these rules and every year come up with silly amendments that allow players to effectively swap and change as they please and make the international game a joke.

Manu a Pom?

So how does Willie Manu qualify? Well he has been living and playing in the Super League since 2006, so despite being Tongan he “qualifies” for England on residential grounds having lived in England for 5 years now. HOWEVER he played has played for Tonga in that time, most notably in the 2008 World Cup. This has been les than three years ago. So the last point has been broken in the list above. So how does he qualify?

The RLIF in their bizarre wisdom at the end of the World Cup said that, the slate has been wiped and these rules only apply for games that attain to the World Cup. So despite the European Cup, Pacific Cup and $ nations games, players are free to do as they please till the end of the 2011 season when the 2013 World Cup qualifiers start.

Will Manu came out a couple days ago and said that he was flattered that England chose him… I am sorry Willie but there are players out there that would kill to get that test jersey, not be flattered by it. The attitude just shows that his head is not in the right place. If he does not get selected for England in the 4 Nations will he then go back to playing for Tonga in the three test at the end of the year, so all of a sudden he is playing for one country and then another. That is not on!

International Farce

There is an interesting side note to this however. Something that opens International Rugby league open to the worst abuse of these rules in the games history. As I mentioned above, players will be locked into that country once they start playing world cup qualifiers of games. There are only 8 nations that will play in the 2013RLWC qualifiers anyway, Italy, Serbia, Lebanon, USA, Russia, Jamaica, South Africa and Japan. Nations that don’t have many(any) NRL players to call upon, and not ones that would make Australia, New Zealand and England.

The Nations that have automatic qualification Australia, New Zealand, England, France, Papua New Guinea, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Tonga, Samoa, Fiji and Cook Islands are the nations where the most abuse and swapping and changing happens. Thus players will be able to jump between nations as they please right up to the start of the 2013 World Cup! This makes a complete mockery of the rules, sport and nations.

Conflict of interest

One of the things that people say is that players want to swap to Australia, New Zealand and England because they are the dominant nations. Sure, but the only reason that happens is that these nations poach players by breaking these rules, so they always will have the best players and every other nation gets the scraps, so they will always get trounced. So its a catch 22 the top 3 poach players or get them swapping over because they are the best, the other nations don’t improve as they lose their best players so don’t get games because they get trounced, so their best players swap over to the top 3 making them more dominant and so the other nations get the scraps and don’t get games because they get trounced etc, etc, etc… see where the cycle is. It needs to be broken. Someone in the RLIF finally needs to harden up and break the cycle.

But why has the RLIF board allowed this to happen. Well lets look who we have in there:

Chairman: Colin Love – Australia (ARL/NSWRL/NRL)

Vice-Chairman: Richard Lewis – England (RFL/ESL/RLEF)

Treasurer/Secretary: David Gallop – Australia (NRL)

Executive Member: Ray Haffenden – New Zealand (NZRL)

Development Officer: Tas Baitieri – Australia (ARL/NSWRL)

So its quite easy and evident to see why the top 3 nations get away with things so easily and also why the NRL seems to get away with so much in changing its laws. The eligibility laws, swaps and changes that are allowed are directly done to boost the Kangaroos, Kiwis and England as well as the NSW and QLD teams in State of Origin.

Its the only way that Fuifui Moimoi has been allowed to get away playing for Tonga in 2006, New Zealand in 2008, Tonga in 2008 and New Zealand in 2009, Jarryd Hayne for NSW and Australia in 2007, Fiji 2008 and Australia 2009, Michael Jennings for Tonga and Samoa, Danny Brough swapping from Scotland to England and now Willie Manu from Tonga to England. There are many many others as well over the years. Lote Tuqiri played for Fiji on 2000 in the world cup and then 2001 playing for Australia. Funnily France, though has options with many “imports”, has made sure the they all satisfy the eligibility criteria and so none of the Aussies that are over there have played for another country for in 3 years as the rules stipulate and they all have been resident in France playing for Catalans, Toulouse or one of the Elite teams. But interestingly Bobby Goulding has resisted the temptation of picking them and decided to get a fully French team playing tests. Something he should be commended for.

Anyway, the only way this will be solved is that the RLIF becomes a fully paid, professional  and Independent organisation that is free of the trappings from the top 3 national federations in the sport. I am not saying we can’t have an Australian Kiwi or Brit run it, but they cannot be involved in any way with the ARL, RFL, NZRL, FFRXIII or any other national federation. It needs to be independent, they then need to draw a line and say these are the laws we play by and choose players by. They then need to force them, this is the only way that the sport will go forward on the world stage.

Daniel Andruczyk’s email: daniel@rugbyleagueinternationalscores.com
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47 Responses to “England Jump on the Bandwagon”

  1. superpaulia says:

    I totally agree. Players should not be able to swap nations like they swap clubs.

    This sort of thing damagages the credibility of inernational RL and discourages new nations.

  2. PNG says:

    it’s easy to see how the south pacific nations get shafted no representation in the game at all what a joke png is the only country in the world with rugby league as it’s national sport yet no one on the rlif? samoans’tongans’fiji& the cookislands love the game but we get treated with no respect dispite the overwhelming number of players in australia & nz (don’t know about england) at local and proffesional level if something is’nt done soon within the next five years australia & nz may have to change there names to pacific island predators 1&2

    • druzik says:

      Yes… I have done a blog on this a while back.

      The most important thing that needs to be done first is regional federations to be set up, like the RLEF. Once you have that there is a voice that can be heard withing the structure of the RLIF.

      The RLIF should consist of not just 4 members, but also representatives from each of the federations which represent the grouping of nations and a voice.

  3. PNG says:

    have also heard that colin love has baned nevile costigan from playing for png at the four nations this year how is this fair? hayne & jennings weren’t baned from playing for australia or nsw even though they hadn’t waited three years since playing for there nations ,manu can play for england yet didn’t met the eligibility criteria. Costigan wants to play for his nation of heritage a quality that should be admired with so many jumping ship to the big three & australia have no intention of picking costigan for the four nations is collin love making this decision with his rlif cap on or is it because qld have won a record 5th series in a row with a white wash and he is making the decision with his nsw cap on major conflict of interest not only does he hurt international league with this decision but also the rugbyleague loving nation of png who have remained loyal to the game after decades of neglect

    • druzik says:

      Well in one way I am glad about this. I know you may not like that, but we need to start somewhere with enforcing the rules.

      Neville to start with should never have been allowed to play in the WC since he had played for Queenslnd. He needs to make up his mind, Australia or PNG.

      Hayne should never have been allowed to play for Fiji as well and Jenninghs should not be playing for Australia either. Agree with you there, but I have been saying this for a long time. Manu should not be allowed to play for England.

      The Decision by love seems to be his RLIF cap as you put it. If it was a NSW one then he would have allowed it and not allowed him to play origin, that would have dented QLD’s side.

      I agree that PNG has been neglected, but the best way get things going is to have tournaments.

      • PNG says:

        I understand were your coming from but why is it the rules are not enforced on the big three why are rules only enforced on those nations that need a little help e.g tuaki and moi moi had to sit out worldcup for tonga because they played the year before for nz yet hayne and jennings can play for australia within one year of playing for both tonga and fiji manu can play consistently for tonga and swap to england the corect decision after so many unjust rulings in favour of the big three would be to say “ok nevile things have changed you have a fairly regular rep format now for your country you can play fournations for png but if you do you can not play for qld again unless you sit out the three year limit” otherwise it’s just not fair surely png must be able to apeal especialy in light of manu’s defection maybe even a legal challenge how can there be one set of rules for the powerfull and a different set for the weak. not fair not right and unjust.

      • PNG says:

        don’t you mean he should make up his mind qld or png as you have said in previous blogs state of origin is no longer a selection trial for australia

  4. dragons4eva says:

    It’s just a dead set joke. People turn a blind eye to these things and only want to look after themselves and their own interests. I hope one day we get a true RLIF and Internationals treated as the 100% pinnacle of the sport.

    • druzik says:

      Agree, Internationals used to be treated as the pinnacle, but its the attitude of the media in Australia and Britain that has sen them become second rate. Especially in ausrtalia and SoO.

      I said it before and will say it again, SoO is a blight on the sport and in its current form needs to go.

  5. GCCowboy says:

    While we are at it, can we get rid of the grandparent rule, that is a total farce and is the cause of a lot of this nation jumping.

    For a player to represent a nation on the basis of some grandparent is a big abstraction from the connection a person born there or living there for 3+ years feels.

    I know it helps developing nations call on “heritage” players, but a countries aka France, Serbia, Russia do the right thing and reward domestic players at there own disadvantage.

    If we are going to have heritage players limit them to 3 in the squad. Just so the domestic guys get to see what is needed to be of a professional standard.

    • druzik says:

      There is nothing wrong with the Grand parent rule actually. Its there in all major sports, the only problem is that it and all the other rules don’t get enforced in a consistent manner. Thats the problem. There are many players that still have very close ties to their heritage through Grandparents.

      Local players should always be encouraged, but if there is a genuine Heritage player that wants to play, and are committed to that country then they should be given the opportunity to play..

      But look, when it comes down to it none of this will work till we start getting a good international structure of tournaments where all countries have an opportunity to play the best nations and players and in a meaningful tournament.

      • GCCowboy says:

        Just like Nathan Fien and his nanna…. I know that is the extreme case (and he did it illegally) but Just because other codes do it doesn’t make it right.

        It was ridiculous when Clyde Rathbone turned out for the Wallabies on the basis of his Grandfather he had never met as well, having just been the Captain of the Junior Springboks the year before.

        In fact it is a great oppurtunity for League to add some credence to it’s international status by making eligibility rules tougher than union (and other sports).

        I do agree totally that it is wrong a player can change allegences and FIFA set a good model for this but I believe they take it too far, I think a player should be allowed 1 switch in a career if eligible and also have an special circumstance appeal option, for instance if Lote and Petero where still around at next WC and were past it for AU but wanted to rep Fiji but it would have to be something big like that

  6. James says:

    The last I checked it was up to the individual players to decide who they play for.

    They should shoulder the blame, not the other nations.

  7. superpaulia says:

    The RLIF will never be fully representative. The Australians will never allow smaller nations to out vote them

    I hope I’m wrong

  8. C.T.SANDERS says:

    THE NRL AND SUPERLEAGUE RUN THE WHOLE GAME.THAT IS WHY THERE ARE NO TOURS ANYMORE

  9. Anthony says:

    Just to add on this Akuila Uate is supposedly switching his allegiance to Australia so he can play Origin

  10. C.T.SANDERS says:

    which is just typical.if the island nations could pick the best players instead of them playing for the kiwis and the kangaroos the international game would be more healthier

  11. C.T.SANDERS says:

    DANIEL THE ISLAND NATIONS SHOULD HAVE THE FIRST RIGHT OF CHOICE OR OPTIONS ON THE BEST PLAYERS THAT ARE MADE AVAILABLE.WE DON’T NEED THEM{THE KIWIS] BECAUSE WE GOT PLENTY TO PICK FROM, BUT TONGA,FIJI,PNG AND SAMOA NEED THE BEST, NOT ONLY TO MAKE IT A MORE LEVEL PLAYING FIELD, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, TO HELP SELL THE INTERNATIONAL GAME.

    • druzik says:

      That will only happen when there are meaningful matches for them to play, and that is only with tournaments where there is reward for them.

      Once a player chooses a nation they should ideally play with them for the rest of their career. In RL this in ot idea unfortunately and so we need to have robust rules in some case that don’t disadvantage nations outside the top 3/4.

      • Cheyne Maher says:

        While it would be nice to see Fiji have first pick at the likes of Hayne, Uate, Tuquiri and Petero, at the end of the day all of these players have as much right as anyone else available for the Kangaroos to choose to play for Australia. I don’t think it is fair to the players in question to tell them that they have to play for Fiji over Australia simply because they qualify.

        I do agree there needs to be stricter guidelines enforced and as you say Daniel a regular set of meaningful tournaments would help this.

        Personally i don’t necessarilly mind if a player who is eligible for two countries represents both of them throughout his career. My problem is when a player may help a team qualify for a tournament (such as a World Cup or Four Nations) and then turn out for another at that tournament.

        For example Robbie Farrah wanted to help Lebanon qualify for the 2008 World Cup but still be able to play S.O.O. and represent Australia in the year of the WC itself. This is one case where the RLIF got it right.

        Had a player of his standing been allowed to do this Lebanon probably would’ve qualified over Ireland, but would not have been as strong in the WC itself, leaving themselves open to criticism that Ireland deserved their spot.

        One case where i think the RLIF got it wrong is when Moi Moi and Tuiaki helped Tonga qualify directly from the 2006 Pacific Qualifiers (which meant they had no meaningful matches to represent Tonga in during 2007, which is when they played for the Kiwis instead), but weren’t allowed to play in the WC.

        Having helped Tonga qualify i feel they had earned the right to represent them in the WC more so than Hayne with Fiji or Pat Richards for Ireland.

        Don’t get me wrong – i believe both Hayne and Richards would genuinely have felt a connection for these countries and been proud to represent their families (who wouldn’t). But the fact Moi Moi and Tuiaki both played in low key qualifiers undoubtedly proved their passion for Tonga.

        I know i am probably a bit off track now, but in summing up my thoughts,

        1: You can’t force some players to play for certain nations if they have dual eligibility – it is up to them! (although you can encourage it by either letting all players play S.O.O. (which is no longer a genuine selection trial for the Kangaroos any way) or by holding some sort of meaningful tournament for the other nations at the same time as S.O.O.).

        2: Players may represent more than one country throughout their career if they qualify from a strict set of guidelines, which must be enforced – BUT, no player should be allowed to change during a WC cycle.

        From what i have read in your previous posts Daniel i think you might disagree with them changing at all, but again i feel it is possible for a player to feel a genuine passion for more than one country and if it helps build interest and competiveness, i’m ok with it.

        For eg. Nigel Vagana represented Samoa at the start of his career in the 1995 WC, NZ during the peak of his career and Samoa again upon retirement. The later particularly was a tremendous boost to Samoan Rugby League. Almost single-handedly he convinced others of Samoan heritage to join him in low profile qualifiers against the USA and Lebanon and then in the WC itself.

        There is no doubt he felt genuinely passionate about this and it wasn’t like his absence hindered NZ’s chances of winning the Cup, so i don’t think that this change damaged the credibility of IRL.

        The only thing that i feel damages it significantly is when a player can help a team qualify but then potenitally play against them in that tournament!

        So really i supose i would be ok with the current rules if they were properly enforced, except i would not allow players to change mid WC cycle.

  12. C.T.SANDERS says:

    How are you going to get tournaments going when all the available resources only goes towards both the sl and the nrl.Tours made money which provided the foundations to fund tournaments.Now rugby union are jumping on the bandwaggon and are having mid week touring games for their end of the season tours to the northern hemispheres,the british and irish lions are touring australia in 2013 which will be a financal bonaza for the australian rugby union yet rugby league stands still whereas all other sports including twiddly winks are going forward.Daniel it’s fine having tournaments but where is the money going to come from,the trees.

  13. C.T.SANDERS says:

    It was good that vagana played for samoa at the last world cup.we didn’t need him for the kiwis and he wasn’t any great loss and if he represented samoa at the 1995 wcup he should of never of ever played for the kiwis in the first place.End of story.Once you play for one country that’s it.No second or third chances.

  14. superpaulia says:

    Regular tournmaments would be great but most would make a financial loss in the short term. This includes the European and Pacific Cups although the concepts could be developed if we persevered

    Kangaroo and Lions tours are part of our heritage, they have made big profits in the past and could do again.

    Remember the British Lions nickname was given to the GB RL team first and RU copied it. They have also copied the successful Lions tour format by including midweek games in country areas.

    We need to jump back on our own bandwagon quickly before it is hyjacked completely.

    • druzik says:

      I disagree, if its promoted and pushed properly then I think every tournament can make a substantial profit. The secret is in having the best of the best.

      You forget that a tour by one of the big 4 would only give them money, money that they will not give anyone else. The RLIF would only get a small % cut from it, as is happening now. The international game needs to get its own name and brand out.

      Also all tours will do is isolate the teams that dont get tours and cant afford them from the top 4 further propagating the divide and perceptions we have now. In the long run the tours will hamper Union more than help them, where as we can expand with tournaments.

      If tours do come back then they should happen only after a WC to get the momentum going and once every 4 years.

  15. C.T.SANDERS says:

    THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE EXERCISE SUPERPAULIA.OF COURSE THE BRITISH AND IRISH LIONS STOLE EVERYTHING OFF THE GB RUGBY LEAGUE LIONS BECAUSE UP TO 1971 THE BRITISH ISLES RUGBY SIDE HAD WON NOTHING IN RUGBY UNION.UNLIKE THEIR LEAGUE COUNTERPARTS THEY WERE FLOPS IN THEIR CODE BUT YOU GOT TO REMEMBER THAT ALL THE BEST RUGY UNION PLAYERS SWITCHED OVER TO LEAGUE FOR THE FIRST 70 YEARS OF COMPETITION.THAT’S WHY THE POMS WERE VIRTUALLY UNBEATABLE BECAUSE THEY DRAINED THE BEST TALENT FROM THE 4 HOME UNIONS AND THAT’S THE MAIN REASON WHY THE BRITISH AND IRISH LIONS GOT THEIR ARSES KICKED FROM THE LIKES OF THE SPRINGBOKS AND THE MIGHTY ALL BLACKS.AND ONCE MORE SUPERPAULIA,I DON’T KNOW WHETHER YOU ARE A MAN OR WOMAN,YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD AGAIN IN THAT RUBGY UNION ALWAYS STEALS OUR IDEAS YET TURNS EVERYTHING AROUND TO THEIR ADVANTAGE.RUGBY LEAGUE DON’T WANT A INTERNATIONAL GAME BUT A CLUB GAME THAT’S IS RESTRICTED TO THE NORTH OF ENGLAND AND 2 STATES OF AUSTRALIA AND THEY’RE HAPPY WITH THAT LOT ONLY BECAUSE THEY THINK SMALL.

  16. C.T.SANDERS says:

    SUPERPAULIA.FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 50 YEARS OF ME BEING INVOLVED IN RUGBY LEAGUE SOMEONE IS ACTUALLY MAKING SENSE AT LONG LAST.OF COURSE TOURS MADE MONEY FOR THE GAME AND THE KANGAROOS SHOULD BE TOURING GB AND FRANCE IN JANUARY 2012 AND A PROPER TOUR AT THAT WITH MIDWEEK GAMES THROWN INTO THE MIX AS WELL.I SAY A 20 MATCH 3 MONTH TOUR AND TO HELL WITH BOTH THE NRL AND SUPERLEAGUE.WE HAVE HAD A GUTSFUL OF THEM RUNING THE WHOLE GAME TO SUIT THEMSELVES BECAUSE NOTHING EVER FILTERS DOWN TO THE GRASSROOTS.TOURS,TOURS AND MORE TOURS.

  17. superpaulia says:

    I would certainly support a twelve match Kangaroos tour in June/July including matches against the top six SL sides and a three test Ashes series against Great Britain.

    It could be reciprocated two years later in the Southern Hemisphere and the cycle repeated every four years.

    It would meed detailed plans made in advance by the RLIF which has never happened before. It would also mean players would have to be released by their SL/NRL clubs during the domestic season as happens in cricket, RU etc. Maybe central contracts would help this.

    It won’t happen.

    Other sports e.g. RU and cricket give a priority to international competition and expand. We prioritise domestic competitions and stagnate.

  18. PNG says:

    Great Britain was dispanded so that rugbyleague could expand in the northen hemisphere now the nations that made up Great Britain have there own national teams England,Ireland,Scotland & wales and to a large extent I think it,s starting to work with Ireland & wales starting to develope a strong domestic competion the welsh also have a team in the super league and another team in division 1 of the English league Ireland are working on a proposal for a team to be entered into the super league aswell and Scotland is showing some great developement in school boy and university teams . I agree that tours were entertaining and there is no reason why they can’t go ahead if timed properly we can’t get rid of the four nations as it has given the weaker teams in europe and the south pacific regular chances to compete through the european cup and pacific nations tournaments aswell as giving them the opertunity to earn a chance at having a go at the big three England,Australia & New Zealand but maybe a tour every 5 years which would make it special as it dosn’t happen all the time in a different format say Australia tours the northen hemisphere a one off test against Wales,Ireland & Scotland then a couple of freindlies against maybe leeds ,wigan or bradford then a series against England for the ashes & on there way home a stop off in france for a one off gamee and some R&R whilst that is going on New Zealand could do there part & tour the south pacific playing Samoa,Tonga,PNG,Fiji & the Cook Islands NZ & Aus could alternate there tours so Australia tour the northen hemisphere New Zealand the south pacific next Australia do the south pacific New Zealand the northen hemisphere

  19. C.T.SANDERS says:

    The kangaroos should go on a world tour at the end of january 2012 starting with a game against the usa tomahawks in jacksonville.A 20 match 3 month tour including 3 tests against the might of Gb and a test against wales plus 2 games against france and of course throw in the traditional club games against the likes of wigan,warrington,leeds,st helens,bradford,hull,hullkr,caslteford,barrow and huddersfield.they should also play a european 13 in moscow to help promote the game in that part of the world and maybe play a crosscode game in singapore or hong kong. 2 test matches against png should also be arranged on their way back home and a 5% levy from the tour profits should go into a pool towards the growth and development of the international game.The tour should be a financial bonanza for the game especially if the poms fluke a rare series win over the touring kangaroos a year and a bit out from the world cup but of course this will never ever happen.Man will be on Mars before we ever see the likes of anther tour becaues the owners of all the privately owned franchises of both the nrl and sl won’t release the players. they run the whole game to suit themselves and dictate to the administrators.And lets face facts both superleague and the nrl are as stale as last week’s bread.A kangeroo tour would add excitement and colour to a game as boring as rugby league.The nrl reached it’s peak in 1996 and summer rugby in northern england has been a total and utter disaster.Tours,tours and more tours i say.That’s what the doctor has ordered.

  20. C.T.SANDERS says:

    Who cares about state of origin.It’s as useless as lancashire v yorkshire in the war of the roses or the south island v the north island in rugby union.

  21. C.T.SANDERS says:

    So you want state of origin at the end of season.Then what time of the year do you want to play the 4 nations daniel?

    • druzik says:

      Same time…. the time line would not change, just the order. I actually dont think we need 26 rounds for the NRL, we can do it all in 20-22 rounds I think. So say 22 regular rounds, with 4 weeks play-offs, 4 weeks Origin rep, that makes 30 weeks.

      Compare that to now with 26 weeks of NRL with SoO thrown in that, 4 weeks of play-offs its the same amount of weeks.

      So the amount of actual time is no different. In some ways we can take out a week or two of the pre-season friendlies and have a couple weeks of extra internationals… maybe then we can have say mini tours … nearly as you would want.

  22. C.T.SANDERS says:

    The nrl and the superleague should only be 17 rounds long just like american football before they enter into the play offs stages otherwise there is going to be an overkill situation.That will make sure that we got plenty of space for international football because that’s is what the game is all about.Both the nrl and superleague seasons are far too long and boring in it’s present form and it stuffs up international football much to the detriment of the game.Now rugby league is too fragmented because it’s a case of club before country and that’s the main reason why rl goes no where as a sport.Without international football and proper tours rl is a waste of time just like tits on a bull.

    • druzik says:

      Agree the current season is too long… is 17 rounds the right number probably not. The money lost would be too great I think, 20 should still allow them to break a decent profit… but agree, the seasons are unnecessarily too long.

  23. C.T.SANDERS says:

    I WANT 3 MONTH TOURS AND TO HELL WITH BOTH THE NRL AND SUPER LEAGUE

  24. C.T.SANDERS says:

    Well you have a point because both the australian rugby league as well as the english rubgy league have lost control over the clubs since they have been privatised out and it’s largely thanks to this why rugby league as a sport never ever goes anywhere.I don’t care if all the nrl and superleague clubs go broke and all the owners of these clubs do their chips.And how does the game bennefit if all the profits go into the pockets of the owners of these franchises because none of this money ever filters back down to the grassroots.Again money going out of the game.All i care about is a global game even at the expense of professional clubs.

  25. C.T.SANDERS says:

    Good to see that whitehaven are about to fall over which means one less mouth to feed for the rfl and you only need one professional franchise in cumbria.Two is too much and three is a crowd because it’s not financially sustainable.

  26. C.T.SANDERS says:

    Rugby league is an amateuer game even with the presence of the nrl and sl because both those 2 competitions make no money for the game at all.As ray cody once said,rugby league is the greatest game of all to survive the idiots that run it.Tell me one club outside the m62 highway that has been successful in 115 years.I will give you the answer daniel.None.If it wasn’t for sir richard branson there would be no professional rugby league club in london.And look at your own backyard australia daniel.Rugby league isn’t even a national game there.If all the professional clubs went broke it will mean that the national bodies of those countries will be able to take control of those clubs and get the tv money and the gate money at the turnstiles and maybe,maybe some of that money could filter back down to the grassroots for the good of the game instead of going into the pockets of the individual owners which is the case now.For argument sake if the warriors went broke tomorrow it would be music to my ears because we would be able to buy the joint for a dollar,wipe off any debt and sell off the nrl license to central coast,png ,perth or central queensland no sweet because millions and millions have been squandered on the warriors for no return since 1994 by both the auckland rugby league and the nzrl.A complete waste of time.and a rugby league heartland club going broke is also music to my ears because that means that money could be freed up for the european rugby league federation so that we can expand into the heart of europe and not along the m62 highway which has been the norm since 1895.No wonder we are still the laughing stock.A joke.

  27. C.T.SANDERS says:

    Daniel i am not interested in ashes tours any more and you have converted me into tournaments because this year’s 4 nations has been sensational.If tours are going to be reduced to end of season jamborees i don’t want to know especially if it is going to be half-pied.Either they do it properly or not at all and australia doesn’t want to tour anywhere in 2012.Enough of tours because you are right tournaments are the future but you still need variety.

    • druzik says:

      Well the 4 nations proper has not started yet, But the European Cup has been great and also the Warm up matches that have been televised have been great to watch as well.

      Its unfortunate that many more of the matches aren’t televised here in America as there are many Pacific islanders in America and could be a good talent pool for them to tap.

  28. C.T.SANDERS says:

    After watching the hapless poms on sunday night here in nz,lions tours are a thing of the past because the poms are now an embarrassment to rl and summer rugby has been a complete and utter disaster for them.Heads must roll in the north of england and you got to clean out the whole rfl from top to bottom.

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